but now we can judge obama care the way we should judge obama care, which is can it sign up a lot of people who need health insurance. the evidence from the states where it's working well, california and kentucky are notable examples, is that the structure of the thing actually can work. and so if they have indeed solved most of these problems, it will probably take another couple of weeks at least to get the website working the way they want, but they made progress and now we can judge it on its merits and not on some tech glitch. >> well, you also have the white house not being quite as definitive as they have been in the past, making these statements about this is where we are, this is what's going to happen. listen to ed rendell, obviously former democratic governor of pennsylvania, on "morning joe" this morning. >> i think there's still a chance for this to achieve its basic goal. that doesn't excuse the mismanagement early. but there's still a chance to achieve a basic goal, which is to drive down the health care curve and also to ensure over 30 million people who don't have he